Why Bush Left Texas

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Originally posted by G L:
Why didn't he protest it when LBJ was getting us so deeply embroiled in it? No he signed up then! So it was obviously a "good war" when Johnson was at the helm and became "bad" only after Nixon got elected. And his whole episode with his medals was disgusting IMO.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">GL

When kerry volunteered to serve he beleived that the vietnam war was a "good war". Like many in this country he was fooled into thinking that we were actually accomplishing something and were fighting to win it. After he actually fought there, and was awarded his medals for his heroic service, he discovered that vietnam was not a just war and that our military was being sent out to be slaughtered for no good purpose.

He went, he saw, he realized he had been lied to and had the brains and the balls to come back and fight the ones who were responsible for the deaths of so many good people to try and put an end to the travesty that was vietnam.

Nixon was in office when he came back so he went after him and the rest of the politicians who were keeping the war going.

"Going after" people not still in office would be as worthless as invading the wrong country.

Put yourself in his shoes. You are a patriotic person who joined to serve his country and found out that the war you put your ass on the line to fight was a farce and your fellow service people were being killed for no good reason. Would you put your efforts into fighting the current administration or would you waste your time railing against those who were no longer involved?

I mean I hate bush so I'm not going to make up any signs protesting reagan. What would be the point?

cg

Opinions without the brains to back them up are the same as no opinions.

You frankly aren't smart enough to play at my level. You'd probably be a real savant in grade school though. Maybe you should get into a rousing round of "Did not", "Did so" with a seventh grader somewhere.

At least you'd have a chance.

OK Pina I'll grant you the when and where validity of your argument (protesting Nixon since he was the sitting POTUS and CiC)

But where our opinion will converge and neither of us will be able to prove is Kerry's motivation.

My contention is that the war was only "just" to him so long as his party was running it. When his party was no longer calling the shots his partisan views dictated his actions and his conscience did not. That's my opinion. I may be mistaken but from what I have seen of Kerry since running for POTUS I see no reason to believe otherwise.

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Originally posted by G L:
OK Pina I'll grant you the when and where validity of your argument (protesting Nixon since he was the sitting POTUS and CiC)

But where our opinion will converge and neither of us will be able to prove is Kerry's motivation.

My contention is that the war was only "just" to him so long as his party was running it. When his party was no longer calling the shots his partisan views dictated his actions and his conscience did not. That's my opinion. I may be mistaken but from what I have seen of Kerry since running for POTUS I see no reason to believe otherwise.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Care to tell me how his putting his life in jeopardy jibes with your support for the war based on partisan politics?

People don't volunteer to go into extremely hazardous situations where there is a very real danger of dying just so they can make a political statement. Do you honestly think that he would serve on a swift boat so that he could legitamize his later protest of the war?

Come on now. You can't be serious.

Serious or not my opinion means little in the context of this election. I'll state my opinion like millions of other voters November 2nd and we'll see what happens. [img]smile.gif[/img]

PINA

Not really that funny, but the fact that pina is so obsessed with putting me down and cant stay on the subject made me post it. LOL!

Pina are you just confused?

This thread is about why you moved to Pennsylvania.

gl

I'll ask again.

People don't volunteer to go into extremely hazardous situations where there is a very real danger of dying just so they can make a political statement. Do you honestly think that he would serve on a swift boat so that he could legitamize his later protest of the war?

I dunno. Why did he film recreations of his actions? Why did he chase an injured VietCong into the jungle and shoot him in the back? Why did he wait until Nixon was POTUS before he voiced his alleged discontent? Why throw his medals away in protest and then 30 some years later brag about having won them? The man makes his statements based on the direction he perceives the wind to be blowing IMO. And as I said my opinion will be cast November 2nd. I don't like Kerry and I don't trust him. I have come to like President Bush more as attacks against him from the far left have mounted. I think that's true for a lot of his supporters. A lot of foreign leaders want to see President Bush defeated in November. Yet another reason to support him.

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Originally posted by Pi?a:
gl

I'll ask again.

People don't volunteer to go into extremely hazardous situations where there is a very real danger of dying just so they can make a political statement. Do you honestly think that he would serve on a swift boat so that he could legitamize his later protest of the war?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes and no.

If Humphreys had won in 1968 I'm sure Kerry never would have protested the war.

It wasn't so much the "War" as it was who came to inherit it. He opposed it simply because Nixon was elected.

As to his serving simply to criticize it later, I would say that's not a valid ad hoc argument. He served because it was his party's war. When it was no longer his party's war he no longer approved of it.

If RFK hadn't been killed in 1968 and had won or if Humphreys had won and continued the war (highly unlikely considering what a pacifist Humphreys was) I don't think Kerry would have ever opposed it.

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People don't volunteer to go into extremely hazardous situations where there is a very real danger of dying just so they can make a political statement

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sure they do.

<font color="#000002" size="1">[ September 21, 2004 03:48 PM: Message edited by: G L ]</font>